[00:00:00] Welcome back to episode of the Hormone Hub Podcast, where we talk all things perimenopause, menopause, and have the conversations no one else is having. Sit back, relax, and enjoy this episode. 

Kylie: Hello. Hello, ladies. And welcome back to the Hormone Hub Podcast. I’m your host, Kylie Pinwill. And today I’m very excited to have Susie Garden on the show. Susie is a good friend of mine. We just had a week together in Bali, which was amazing. Susie’s a passionate naturopath, a clinical nutritionist, and a yoga teacher with a special interest in perimenopause and women’s weight loss.

Susie’s signature system is the Glow Protocol, which helps women have glowing skin, abundant energy, symptom relief, and healthy weight loss. So no more confusion, no more frustration, just results, which, of course I absolutely love. So Susie, today [00:01:00] we are going to talk about what happens to your skin during perimenopause, which, it’s something that we all noticed.

So welcome Susie. It is great to have you on the Hormone Hub. 

Susie: Thanks so much, Kylie. It’s such a pleasure to be here today and to see you and talk about skin because it’s something that I’m really passionate about. So thank you.

Kylie: Absolutely. And Susie, I just want to mention Susie’s got a really interesting background.

So she’s been, almost two decades working as a registered nurse and also in the pharmaceutical industry be for e she sort of came into the world of natural therapy. So Susie’s got this beautiful blend of yeah, nursing, pharmaceuticals, as well as the natural therapy side.

And, Susie and I’ve had so many conversations about, it doesn’t have to be either or, it can actually be both, which I think. Is so important for people to know, and ladies, we’re giving you permission. It can be both. 

Susie: Yes, absolutely. [00:02:00] Absolutely. I know. I kind of feel sometimes like I’ve come to the dark side by coming into natural medicine.

Sometimes it’s I’ve seen the light just depends on which side of the fence you’re on. But as you said, you don’t have to be on one side of the fence or the other. We can work beautifully together with natural health, natural medicine and conventional medicine. So yes, absolutely. 

Kylie: Absolutely. Yep. Couldn’t agree more.

All right. Skin is something that, it’s not something I talk about often in, on the podcast, cause it’s really not my skill set, , if someone’s got eczema or someone’s got psoriasis, , certainly we can, address that, but it’s sort of not kind of my first go to but definitely and I, as we do this, I’m on zoom looking at myself and I’m sort of, doing the, this squeezing back of the forehead and the head, but definitely, we kind of hit perimenopause and our skin changes.

So why, what’s going on? Why so many changes? And please [00:03:00] don’t say it’s just because we’re getting old. 

Susie: Oh, no, no. There’s a, there’s a few things going on. I mean, there’s obviously the hormonal changes and primarily the drop in oestrogen because oestrogen, surprisingly, I was actually surprised when I first became aware of this.

How important oestrogen is for our skin’s health, for our skin’s appearance, because oestrogen impacts our hydration our elasticity, our collagen production. It also influences our skin thickness. And wrinkles. There is actually a direct link. Yep. You and I are now both touching our faces. 

Kylie: We’re both doing, the facelift as we’re, we’re looking at each other.

Susie: Yeah, exactly. Because it impacts our ability to hold moisture. It does impact on wrinkles and things. So there is quite a lot that research oestrogen is impacting when it’s dropping for us. So I wanted to talk a little bit about that today. So that’s one aspect [00:04:00] also, I think, when we’re getting into our forties, our stress levels go up and stress absolutely has an impact on our skin, primarily through the gut health, which is the third one.

Gut health can often be not so great in our forties and fifties because of many, many reasons. So there’s a whole bunch of things that are going on. When we’re in our 40s and 50s and beyond, when we’re hitting perimenopause and postmenopause and, and that is why we can see so many kind of differences in our skin, including even some of the inflammatory skin conditions like eczema, like psoriasis can actually worsen in perimenopause.

Because of this. And that’s something that I’ve experienced personally. So I’m happy to chat about that. 

Kylie: Yeah. Well, let’s, let’s talk about it. So, , obviously there’s that elasticity that yeah, quite often, we start to talk about, and I notice, like the pigmentation comes up and just, it’s just not quite. Yeah.[00:05:00] 

Susie: I know, I know. And it’s really annoying. It’s really annoying. So let’s, let’s start, I guess, with hydration. Cause I think that’s a really important part of it. And this is one of the key things with oestrogen because it does influence our ability to keep our skin hydrated. When our oestrogen does drop, our cells can actually just open a little, and that sounds really disgusting, open a little bit.

And actually the fluid just can’t be contained in this. And that’s why we can get that dryness that we can get with our skin. That’s how often how it will appear on the face is maybe a little bit of peeling skin dryness tightness. For me personally, I suddenly had eczema, which I’d never had before.

before. And I just thought it was, well, I had had hay fever growing up. I’d grown out of that. All of a sudden in my forties, I’ve got eczema and I actually thought I must have had a dairy allergy [00:06:00] or intolerance. I was in my final year of my nutrition qualification. So I was in my sort of early forties and I was stressed cause it was around exam time.

So I just thought, Oh, it’s stress. And, maybe I’ll just go off dairy and that’ll fix it. And it helped probably a little bit. It actually helped a little bit with my joint pain that I had at the time. But yeah, I still, it was getting particularly on my hands or throats from hand washing must be a contact dermatitis, but then it started getting on my.

Face around my eyes and that’s, as a woman, that’s when you really start to take notice because you can’t hide it when you’ve got dry peeling skin on your face, you can’t put any pro like makeup on it to fix it or to hide it because it will just stick and flake. Yeah. Yeah. So it was only then that I really started looking into it and sure enough.

Because of our drop in oestrogen, we can develop these worsening. If you already have things, particularly psoriasis, it [00:07:00] does tend to get worse, but you can actually develop an adult form of eczema. Now there’s generally food related kind of sensitivities in there. And I know I’ve done the hair testing that Kylie does in her program and that.

Definitely showed for me some areas that I needed to avoid in terms of foods. I also did with my own program, a foods list, which showed very similar foods. So I knew, and yeah, for me specifically it was tomatoes, which I found really weird because I didn’t realize how many people are sensitive to tomatoes, but yeah, removing that and doing some other things to help support my skin helped a lot and I’ll get into support a little later on, I think, because a lot of the things that you can do to support, for example, eczema will support other things. But yes, that, that dryness and that lack of ability for the cells to hold moisture, fluid, water is what happens with this [00:08:00] drop in oestrogen. And that’s why you can get these wrinkles.

You can get these dry patches or just skin coming off, which is, can be quite devastating. To be honest, to have that happening and not being able to kind of get rid of it and not being able to hide it. Yeah, it’s not nice. 

Kylie: No, and I think because I speak to a lot of women and , because there’s so much going on with them physically, mentally, emotionally to all of a sudden feel like they’re looking older.

And, like really feeling that, particularly there’s pain and there’s, yes, hating symptoms going on at the same time, they can just feel, and I, and I had the conversations and it’s that loss of confidence. Yes. All of a sudden, we’ve got one foot in old lady town and no one.

Absolutely. 

Susie: No, and unfortunately, no, because we have certain perceptions of what that’s like, and particularly if your first experience is in periods you can’t sleep and you’re [00:09:00] putting on weight and you’re bloated and then your skin starts falling off your face. It’s just like, Oh man, is it just going to keep getting worse and worse?

Kylie: I feel like the bearer of bad news on these podcasts as we talk about all the worst case scenarios. 

Susie: I know, I know and you know what? This is what’s beautiful about the work that we do, Kylie, is that we do have some, at least some, if not all of the answers. And a lot of it is. What we can do in our day to day lives, uh, in terms of what we’re putting on and in our bodies.

And that’s, that’s what I love about natural health is we are, we’re not necessarily waiting for everything to go south. We are in there working on things to get into that underlying cause to improve how women feel, how women look, how women move in their bodies. Just love it. So yeah, that’s, that’s one of the reasons I’m particularly passionate about skin.

Kylie: [00:10:00] Yeah. Yeah. Well, that’s it. So let’s start there. Like number one, you’ve already said it hydration. So, so this is sort of what you can use topically, topically on your skin, but also what we’re putting into our bodies. So what are, what sort of a few things that we can do to sort of boost that hydration for our skin?

Susie: Absolutely. Absolutely. So, let’s talk about firstly, just water intake. I think a lot of women and men don’t realize what a good water intake actually looks like. I literally last week had a client sitting in front of me telling me, oh no, I have a really good water intake. I have a liter a day. That is not for most people.

Now it is usually based on your weight. So if you have a relatively low weight, that’s probably enough. There would be very few people that that would be enough for I do a water calculation. So generally I work with 35 mils per kilo of body weight, and that includes all water. So if you have like a soup or a smoothie or [00:11:00] casserole or something where there’s fluid in the food that all gets included in that water calculation. And I find when even just that one thing of, really boosting water intake can have a dramatic effect on the skin dramatic. 

Kylie: And, while we’re just on water, let’s just, , improvement that that can make to your digestive system as well.

Susie: Absolutely. Which of course is connected to skin. 

Kylie: So let’s talk about the role because gut health , it’s a huge role in so much, so many aspects of our health, but let’s talk specifically about skin health. 

Susie: Yes, absolutely. So there’s, there’s a couple of different aspects when we’re talking about microbiome and perimenopause and skin health.

So I guess let’s talk about, from the point of view of the gut microbiome, we have let’s call it a portion of our gut microbiome called the estrobolone as in [00:12:00] oestrogen. And there are a bunch of microorganisms, mainly bacteria that are involved in the metabolism of oestrogen and getting that. So if we are not kind of looking after our gut microbiome, if we don’t have a really nice balance of our beneficial and non beneficial bacteria going on, then our estrobolone may not be optimal and that can impact your oestrogen metabolism.

And some of the things we see when oestrogen metabolism is not where it should be is. Of course, skin related adult acne that we can get in perimenopause. And that can be because we are recirculating old oestrogen, absorbing it back through our intestine. And it can cause, sort of an elevated PMS.

It can, all of those kinds of. What we call hormonal and inverted commas symptoms can be caused by including acne in the skin. Also, obviously, our gut [00:13:00] is an organ of detoxification. If we’re not pooing frequently and effectively, then, we’re going to get a toxic buildup. A skin is also an organ of detoxification.

So guess what? We are going to see the results of that in our skin. We could see dullness, we could see breakouts. All of the things yeah. 

Kylie: So some of the things, , that are likely to cause that, that dysbiosis or that, that upsetting that gut microbiome. I often talk about, sugar and processed foods and alcohol as sort of disruptors there. Absolutely. Are there any other sort of obvious ones that we 

Susie: Yes, (Kylie) are full of? Stress is a major one that often gets overlooked. I, the more I’m in practice, the more I see the impact of stress on people’s physical health and in particular their gut. Because, when we’re in our stress response [00:14:00] as Kylie, our our blood is going out to our muscles so we can fight or we can run away. So it’s getting diverted away from our not so important organs. And that moment when we’re fighting for our life is our gastrointestinal tract and our reproductive tract and our of course, our stress response, that part of the nervous system is very basic.

If you get a credit card bill, your stress response thinks your life is in danger. That is it. It’s either on or it’s off. It’s there’s no sort of moderation in it. So. It’s only meant to be going for 20 to 30 seconds to get us out of that danger, but we all know we’re all in a fair degree of stress response.

Most of the time with our daily lives. So we need to learn techniques to regulate our own stress response and that is something that we can all do. It doesn’t cost money. You can use it by, your breath, just moderating your breath and slowing your breath down, [00:15:00] tells your hypothalamus the threat is gone.

We can calm the farm down. We can drop our cortisol. We can drop our adrenaline and we can just start, okay, digesting our food and all of the rest of it. So stress is massive. So I could talk for days on stress. 

Kylie: Oh yes. And I think you and I did a whole episode on your podcast about stress. (Susie) Yes.

And it’s a thing and it’s sort of, if we link it all back to, , the foundations and , Whether it’s good skin, energy, sleep, weight maintenance, whatever, if we link it back to, getting the foundations of good nutrition, getting the foundations of hydration, getting the foundations of stress management, we have to put all these things in place because there’s no magic pill that’s going to counterbalance, impact of, living in that high cortisol state and, living with your, you can’t out supplement a bad diet either.

So you’ve got to get 

Susie: It’s so true. It’s so true, Kylie. And when I worked in the pharmaceutical [00:16:00] industry, it was a really interesting conversation that we used to have with GPs all of the time, particularly as I worked in cardiovascular health at, at. For a reasonable point of my career there. And of course you’re looking at, blood pressure, medication, statin medication for cholesterol, things like that.

And doctors would say to me, patients just want the pill. They just say, come in. I don’t want to change my diet. I don’t want to exercise. Just give me the drugs. And that I think this is, we’re talking close to, and it pains me to say this 20 years ago. How can that be 20 years ago? And that was my second career.

Yeah, that, that was more, I guess, the, the attitude of people in that, over 50 age group at that time. And that’s what I’m loving about the rise of the wellness industry is that we’re seeing so much more of an open mind and an understanding of the fact that food, just food is so powerful, so powerful, moving the body so powerful breathing, spending [00:17:00] time in nature.

All of these things we do as part of wellness and that people like you and I prescribe and guide and support women to, to bringing into their lives in a way that works for them with ease. That is the key. That is the key. The pills are there and that’s great that we have them, but there’s nothing better coming.

There’s nothing better in the pipeline. That’s all we’ve got. But food, our choices that we make every single day to put in our body, to put on our skin, , put in our minds in terms of what we expose our minds to that all impacts all of our body systems, including our skin, including our hormones, all of it.

So yeah, super important. 

Kylie: Yeah, very much so. And I think, it’s sort of highlighted when you look at other cultures who, you just say the Japanese culture and there’s some South American cultures, they just don’t even have a word for menopause. Yeah. Yeah. Like, there’s no word for hot flush, there’s no, so it’s sort of that Western lifestyle that [00:18:00] has created a lot of these symptoms and, and created, a lot of the problems as well.

So yes, this is where I say it doesn’t have to be horrible, there’s so much we can do.

Susie: Absolutely. That’s the thing. That’s the thing. There is so much we can do. And a lot of it is very, very simple. A lot of the things we’re, we’re doing them anyway, in terms of, we’re going to eat anyway, we’re going to breathe. So why not do it in a way that’s actually going to really support your health, your wellbeing, your mindset, your self esteem, everything. Why not just, you learn how to do it. Of course, it’s something that we do need to learn and we’re all different. So we do need different things. We do need the foods that are going to work for us and not against us.

So having that knowledge really helps. Yeah. 

Kylie: Personalized support too, for what’s right for your body as well. 

Susie: Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Now I did want to touch though on other parts of our microbiomes, Kylie, before [00:19:00] we move off that. And one is the skin microbiome. The skin microbiome is a really interesting relatively new microbiome and there’s still a lot of research being done on it, but I thought it was really interesting when I was preparing for this podcast.

I did a little bit of reading on what the latest on the skin microbiome is, and there’s some really cool stuff going on using AI. Technology and researchers can now accurately predict menopausal status by identifying certain bacteria on the skin. And they have repeated it and repeated it and done some tests in a whole bunch of different ways.

They’re always getting this consistent answer. So in the future, rather than getting, , blood tests, which even now a lot of GPs aren’t bothering to do bloods to check hormones, they can literally, do a little skin scraping and look at your microbiome on your skin and say, yes, you are [00:20:00] perimenopausal, postmenopausal, premenopausal, it’s unreal.

So this is where it’s heading. 

Kylie: That is so cool. I didn’t 

Susie: know that. Yeah, I didn’t know it either.

But I thought that was really cool. And it kind of makes sense because we already know, for example, there are changes in the vaginal microbiome when we hit peri and post menopause, which means that women, of course, oh joy, are more prone to UTIs as we get older. And that is a microbiome, primarily a microbiome issue.

So yeah, we, there’s a number of different microbiomes that we are aware of that impact our skin and lots that we probably don’t even know about yet, and that we’re not quite sure even how to harness yet. 

Kylie: Yeah, that’s so cool. And , you’re right, that’s such a big area that we… And the other thing, because where I actually thought you were going with the skin microbiome is that we’ve just killed it off with our…

Yeah. And [00:21:00] 

Susie: the thing is, 

Kylie: When we use things like hand sanitizer, like I’m all for good hygiene, don’t get me wrong, but , I think that soap and water and I guess it’s, it comes down to putting on your, your face and things like that. If we’re putting harsh sort of drops and draining chemicals, we’re killing off the good, the good skin as well as the stuff that we do want to get rid of. 

Susie: That’s right. Yeah, that’s right. And also just stripping our natural oils and things off as well. And that is important. That’s actually a really good point. Kylie, what we’re putting topically on our skin definitely matters for a number of reasons.

And I’m sure you may have covered this on the podcast before, just from a chemical absorption of what we’re putting on our skin. Our skin will absorb what we put on it, including harmful chemicals and even things like if, if you work in retail and you’re handling FPOS receipts every day, [00:22:00] that.

Got oestrogen mimicking chemicals in it that can actually really impact your hormones. So we, we got to assume that every day we’re being kind of exposed to toxins through our skin and including our skin care. So being as thoughtful as you can be with what you’re putting on your body and it.

Really, probably being as simple as you can be, let’s face it, if you think about what our grandparents would have put on their skin it’s not nowhere near as complicated as our routines sometimes are. 

Kylie: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. It’s just, yeah, ditching all the fragrance, all the perfume, the smelly stuff.

Yeah. We’ve been programmed to think is better, but actually the plainer we can go, the better. 

Susie: Absolutely. And particularly when we’re looking at hormones, like I couldn’t believe for me, cause when I left, I mean, I used to wear perfume every single day when I worked in corporate, when I was in the pharmaceutical industry, it was just like a reflex.

Put on again, chemical deodorant [00:23:00] after you put on your chemical skin cream and you put on your chemical makeup then you put on your perfume. And the difference I saw when I dropped all of that, and that would have only been in 2015 that I just learned more and more about it, started dropping it. And, oh my gosh, my hormone health improved so much. My mood improved so much. My skin improved so much. It was, it was dramatic. Yeah. Really dramatic. And now I really, I wouldn’t say I’m sensitive to smell, but I really notice it when someone’s wearing a very strong chemical type perfume, that’s very noticeable.

Kylie: Gym or Pilates and someone comes in next to you and they’ve like The, the deodorant or the spray or something like that.

And I actually, it’s in the back of my throat now and I’m 

like,

Susie: I know, I know. And I occasionally will even, if I have an, cause I’m a bit of a hoarder of things, I don’t like throwing things out. So [00:24:00] if I’ve got an old lipstick or something like that and I put on, sometimes I can feel that in the back of my throat and I go, ooh, okay, there’s something in there I need to chuck that.

Yeah. Yeah. Which, which again, when you’re not educated in this and you’re not, not aware of it, not thinking about it, you would just. Not even think twice about it. You just go, yeah, that’s what lipstick does. But actually, no, that’s not actually what lipstick does. It’s not supposed to feel it in your throat when you put it on your lips.

Kylie: No, no, exactly. 

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Susie: As they say, you don’t need to use makeup remover if you’re using it. I still don’t, I don’t know. I’m probably just an old, I just, I like using 

Kylie: it’s been ingrained into us. 

Susie: Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, since I’ve been using that, my skin has been so smooth and so soft. And I, I put all of my clients onto the konjac sponge and it, they all give me the same feedback, like, Oh man.

It’s so good. Like, have you ever used one Kylie now?

Kylie: Yes. I’ve got one in my shower. So 

Susie: yes, I must have been 

Kylie: religious with it, but thank you for the reminder because I will be. Yeah. 

Susie: [00:26:00] Every day I use mine and I feel my skin just feels so it’s never felt smoother or softer since using that. That has been, I think, a game changer.

I would also say we were talking about hydration before, so obviously hydration internally, but to put some external hydration on the skin, I think these days hyaluronic acid should be in every peri menopausal woman’s cabinet. It is, it is a really beautiful, light, natural product. Just, you don’t need to hyaluronic acid at the pharmacy.

And it’s just helps. Hold that hydration in your skin and a little trick is actually not to dry off your skin too much if you’ve got water on the skin, like from your shower or bath or whatever to put your moisturizer or any of your serums on while the skin is too wet actually helps, believe it or not just keeps things really nice and moist there on the skin.

Another thing [00:27:00] is, of course using an oil at night. I think probably every woman over 40 should be using an oil. My favorites. I really love argan oil, A R G A N, that’s a Moroccan oil. Yeah, I use in my hair as well. So it’s really beautiful. Rosehip oil is another one that’s really high in antioxidants.

Argan oil does have some research regarding its ability to build collagen. So I’m not a massive believer in topical collagen products. I believe these days, if the collagen peptide products, they’re probably more likely to be able to enter the skin, but just having a collagen product topically, we know those molecules are too big to penetrate the skin.

They’re not really going to build the collagen in your skin. But yeah, if the peptide products seem to have better research around that, then argan oil helps. Rosehip oil is more the antioxidant type of. oil. Vitamin C is also actually reasonably good for topically placed on the skin, but also can [00:28:00] help with getting rid of some of that pigmentation that you were talking about before.

Yeah, vitamin C, a really good quality. It has to be in good packaging as well. If it’s a jar like that, you’re taking the lid off and the whole top of the cream is, is visible generally, if it’s an antioxidant type of cream, like vitamin C is that constant contact to the air is going to break it down.

It’s not going to be as potent. And I do notice actually, even when I’m using my rose hip yeah, oil, when I get to the bottom of it. It’s a lot more clear than when I first opened it. It’s quite rich in color. The first time I noticed that was when I emptied one bottle, I went to open the next bottle and went, wow, the difference in color was dramatic.

Yes. Yeah. And it’s cause it just oxidizes as it gets exposed to the oil. So packaging does matter from that point of view. They’re probably my main. Go to’s is using those types of products. 

Kylie: Yeah. And I think that’s, that’s really important, , so it doesn’t have to be complicated. It doesn’t [00:29:00] have to be expensive.

We just need to be aware of it. We need to be consistent and, just, just do it differently. So away from the chemicals and into, , your basic skincare. 

Susie: Yes. Absolutely. I think that’s really important. Also in terms of nutrition there’s a few things like fruits and veggies that are brightly colored, always going to be on the nutritionist’s playlist because of the, the antioxidants for one for your skin and levels of vitamin C, et cetera, that are in those types of foods.

I’m always telling my women to increase their cruciferous veggies. Yeah. To support their hormone balance. So your just Google them, they’re things like your kale, your cabbage, your cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, all that sort of thing. The only caution of course with women over 40, if you have a weakness in your thyroid, you just need to cook them really well.

Yeah, if you’ve got no thyroid issues, it’s no problem.[00:30:00] Also really like flaxseed oil as an internal, well, it’s, it’s hot, really high in omega threes helps keep that hydration and it’s just, it’s an oil that doesn’t have a lot of flavor, so you can pop it in a smoothie, you can pop it in. bit of yogurt.

You can use it on a salad. You can’t cook with it. But yeah, I find that’s really beautiful for skin to get that glow as well. Salad dressings. Oh yes. Yeah. Really beautiful with a bit of apple cider vinegar. Sweet. And prebiotic foods. So foods that are high in fibers that your good gut bacteria like to feed on.

And it also helps with that bowel clearance. So we want to be pooing as often as possible, at least once a day, one to three times a day.

Kylie: It’s pretty easy as well. It’s not just me banging on that. 

Susie: Oh no. Oh no. I, I have my, my Bristol stool chart [00:31:00] on speed dial and yeah, it’s, it’s just a thing where, you want to get the toxins out of the body.

And it’s going to improve so many aspects of your health, not just your skin, not just your hormone balance, but so many things. So yeah, that’s actually, we joke about it, but it is really important to be doing that, but also some of the collagen supporting nutrients. I’m a little bit kind of hesitant to promote collagen.

I do feel that. There’s still not a huge amount of evidence that having collagen as a supplement is actually getting into the skin. If you are going to have collagen for skin related purposes, the marine collagen is the one to go for I do take it. Having said that, I do take it just in case. And I quite like taking it.

I can’t say I notice a big difference when I, when I’m not taking it. Like, I’m not taking it at the moment cause I’ve run out and I haven’t bought any. And so I haven’t been on it for [00:32:00] probably at least a month. And I can’t say I’m noticing a huge difference. So. 

Kylie: Yeah, no, I do agree. And I think, when we start going into those single nutrients, our body doesn’t work just on one nutrient.

So our body needs, a whole collection. So we actually need all of our amino acids, , not just one, so I’m with you there. Rather, get a good quality protein powder if you’re going to have that over just collagen alone. Yeah, 

Susie: I agree, Kylie. And the thing is what a lot of people don’t realize is collagen is just made of, , three to four amino acids.

It’s not. And that’s what you’ll get in a protein powder. So. Yeah. 

Kylie: Are you getting it anyway? Yeah. 

Susie: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I’m hesitant. As I said, I don’t have my collagen at the moment. I don’t know if I’m going to bother getting any more because I’m just going to wait and see if I notice any difference.

Kylie: Beware the marketing as well.

Susie: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if you’re going to do it. Don’t get a flavoured one. A lot of those, yeah, flavours are just rubbish. [00:33:00] Yeah, yeah, just, just get a plain powder that’s unflavoured. There’s plenty of them around. Make sure it’s just a good quality, if possible. Yes. It’s very difficult because there’s a lot of rubbish out there, to be honest.

Yeah. That’s a tough one. Yeah. I wouldn’t be remiss if I could just do a little plug for my own supplement that I have called Energy Glow NR, which does have all of the nutrients that you need to build good collagen. It’s got indications through the TGA for skin regeneration, for liver detoxification, for thyroid, for energy.

It’s got a very special ingredient called nicotinamide riboside, which has got some very special, how can I say it? Healthy aging kind of properties. So you can find that at, sorry. 

Kylie: And great for skin, the BCS prevention as well. 

Susie: Yes. Yes. Like so many things, so many things, some things I can talk about, some of them I can’t, it’s [00:34:00] just an amazing product.

You can find that at theglowprotocol.com.au and I’m happy to provide a discount code. To get 30 off your purchase. And I’ll, I’ll tell Kylie about that. She can pop it in the show notes.

Kylie: Amazing. Yes. No, thank you. And yeah, I would happily recommend all of Susie’s skincare products. So I will definitely have those in the show notes.

Susie has very kindly also given us her eight essential age defying secrets so we will put that, you can download and we’ll put the link to that in our show notes as well.

So you’re all going to be looking gorgeous and glowing. 

Susie: Yes, and glowing. Yes, we love to glow, don’t we, Kylie?

Kylie: We do. We do. We do. Alright, Susie, well, it has been amazing having you on the show today. Thank you so much for coming on. And, yeah, like I said, all of Susie’s contact [00:35:00] details, including her eight essential age defying secrets, will be in our show notes.

Susie: Amazing. Thank you so much, Kylie. It’s been really fun. I love talking about skin and I really appreciate being on the show.

Kylie: Oh, anytime. You’re always welcome back. Thanks, Susie. Thanks for listening, everyone. And we will see you in the next episode.

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